Star Hope Creek (West Fork Big Lost River)

Tributary of the East Fork Big Lost River

  • Recommended Fishing Water

Star Hope Creek (West Fork Big Lost River) in Custer County is 17.1 miles in length.

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Facilities

Motor Restriction
No
Boat Ramp
No
Dock
No
Toilet
No
Campground
Yes
ADA Access
Yes

Recommended Game Fish

Species Observed in Surveys

Fish Stocking Records

Date Species Quantity General Size
2025/08/19 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 252 Catchable (6+ inches)
2025/08/05 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 282 Catchable (6+ inches)
2025/07/22 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 272 Catchable (6+ inches)
2025/07/10 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 747 Catchable (6+ inches)
2025/06/18 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 625 Catchable (6+ inches)
2025/06/02 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 680 Catchable (6+ inches)
2025/05/29 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,209 Catchable (6+ inches)
2024/08/20 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 967 Catchable (6+ inches)
2024/07/12 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,512 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2024/06/27 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 592 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2024/06/04 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 568 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2023/08/28 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 473 Catchable (6+ inches)
2023/08/22 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 630 Catchable (6+ inches)
2023/08/17 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 473 Catchable (6+ inches)
2023/07/27 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,020 Catchable (6+ inches)
2023/07/05 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,443 Catchable (6+ inches)
2022/08/17 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,840 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2022/08/05 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 2,174 Catchable (6+ inches)
2022/07/27 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 984 Catchable (6+ inches)
2022/07/06 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,040 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2022/06/09 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 988 Catchable (6+ inches)
2021/08/24 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 627 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2021/07/21 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 905 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2021/07/07 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 950 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2021/06/24 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,074 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2021/06/10 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 950 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2020/08/26 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 490 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2020/08/06 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 455 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2020/07/28 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 36,699 Fry (0-3 inches)
2020/07/21 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2020/07/06 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 950 Catchable (6+ inches)
2020/06/22 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 950 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2020/06/11 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 958 Catchable (6+ inches)
2019/08/19 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2019/08/07 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 39,846 Fry (0-3 inches)
2019/08/05 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 525 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2019/07/22 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,203 Catchable (6+ inches)
2019/07/08 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 872 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2019/06/24 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 827 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2018/08/23 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 510 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2018/08/06 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 449 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2018/07/23 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 825 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2018/07/09 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 876 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2018/06/25 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,650 Catchable (12-14 inches)
2017/08/24 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 438 Catchable (6+ inches)
2017/08/09 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
2017/07/20 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 900 Catchable (6+ inches)
2017/07/06 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 900 Catchable (6+ inches)
2016/08/25 Rainbow Trout - Triploid 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2016/08/12 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
2016/07/19 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
2016/07/07 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2016/06/22 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 900 Catchable (6+ inches)
2015/08/04 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 488 Catchable (6+ inches)
2015/07/23 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 488 Catchable (6+ inches)
2015/07/09 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 377 Catchable (6+ inches)
2015/06/26 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2015/06/17 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
2015/05/20 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 449 Catchable (6+ inches)
2014/08/25 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 474 Catchable (6+ inches)
2014/08/12 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2014/07/29 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 351 Catchable (6+ inches)
2014/07/16 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
2014/06/25 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2014/06/10 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
2013/08/27 Rainbow Trout - Triploid 448 Catchable (6+ inches)
2013/08/06 Rainbow Trout - Triploid 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2013/07/16 Rainbow Trout - Triploid 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2013/07/03 Rainbow Trout - Triploid 453 Catchable (6+ inches)
2013/06/20 Rainbow Trout - Triploid 256 Catchable (6+ inches)
2013/05/31 Rainbow Trout - Triploid 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2012/08/21 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 25 Catchable (6+ inches)
2012/08/21 Rainbow Trout - Triploid 424 Catchable (6+ inches)
2012/08/07 Rainbow Trout - Triploid 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
2012/07/24 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2012/07/10 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 451 Catchable (6+ inches)
2012/06/26 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
2012/06/14 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
2011/08/29 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 501 Catchable (6+ inches)
2011/08/09 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 556 Catchable (6+ inches)
2011/08/03 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 449 Catchable (6+ inches)
2011/07/19 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 699 Catchable (6+ inches)
2011/06/14 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 501 Catchable (6+ inches)
2010/08/24 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 504 Catchable (6+ inches)
2010/08/10 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 352 Catchable (6+ inches)
2010/07/29 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2010/07/15 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 505 Catchable (6+ inches)
2010/06/24 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,000 Catchable (6+ inches)
2009/09/22 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 20,666 Fingerling (3-6 inches)
2009/08/10 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 998 Catchable (6+ inches)
2009/07/21 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 520 Catchable (6+ inches)
2009/07/07 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 499 Catchable (6+ inches)
2009/06/23 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 528 Catchable (6+ inches)
2009/06/11 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 225 Catchable (6+ inches)
2008/08/26 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2008/08/12 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2008/07/28 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2008/07/16 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2008/06/17 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,000 Catchable (6+ inches)
2007/06/25 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,000 Catchable (6+ inches)
2007/06/19 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,022 Catchable (6+ inches)
2006/08/22 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 520 Catchable (6+ inches)
2006/08/08 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 504 Catchable (6+ inches)
2006/07/25 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 480 Catchable (6+ inches)
2006/07/11 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 510 Catchable (6+ inches)
2006/06/22 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 523 Catchable (6+ inches)
2005/08/09 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2005/07/29 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2005/07/19 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2005/06/27 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 525 Catchable (6+ inches)
2005/06/16 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 525 Catchable (6+ inches)
2004/08/11 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2004/07/27 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2004/07/09 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 525 Catchable (6+ inches)
2004/06/22 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2004/06/09 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2003/08/06 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 488 Catchable (6+ inches)
2003/07/21 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 570 Catchable (6+ inches)
2003/07/07 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2003/06/23 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2003/06/10 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2002/08/19 Rainbow Trout 689 Catchable (6+ inches)
2002/08/05 Rainbow Trout 650 Catchable (6+ inches)
2002/07/23 Rainbow Trout 650 Catchable (6+ inches)
2002/07/09 Rainbow Trout 690 Catchable (6+ inches)
2002/06/24 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2002/06/21 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,800 Catchable (6+ inches)
2002/06/11 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2001/08/23 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2001/08/09 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2001/07/26 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2001/07/12 Rainbow Trout 501 Catchable (6+ inches)
2001/06/28 Rainbow Trout 499 Catchable (6+ inches)
2001/06/06 Rainbow Trout 400 Catchable (6+ inches)
2001/06/01 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 1,430 Catchable (6+ inches)
2000/09/18 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 2,000 Catchable (6+ inches)
2000/09/07 Cutthroat Trout - Yellowstone 2,000 Catchable (6+ inches)
2000/08/31 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2000/08/17 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2000/07/25 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2000/07/11 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2000/06/27 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
2000/06/14 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
1999/08/24 Rainbow Trout 400 Catchable (6+ inches)
1999/08/10 Rainbow Trout 540 Catchable (6+ inches)
1999/07/22 Rainbow Trout 588 Catchable (6+ inches)
1999/07/08 Rainbow Trout 595 Catchable (6+ inches)
1999/07/02 Rainbow Trout 600 Catchable (6+ inches)
1999/06/15 Rainbow Trout 600 Catchable (6+ inches)
1998/08/27 Rainbow Trout 600 Catchable (6+ inches)
1998/08/10 Rainbow Trout 600 Catchable (6+ inches)
1998/07/23 Rainbow Trout 600 Catchable (6+ inches)
1998/07/09 Rainbow Trout 600 Catchable (6+ inches)
1998/06/25 Rainbow Trout 630 Catchable (6+ inches)
1997/08/28 Rainbow Trout 341 Catchable (6+ inches)
1997/08/14 Rainbow Trout 334 Catchable (6+ inches)
1997/07/24 Rainbow Trout 334 Catchable (6+ inches)
1997/07/10 Rainbow Trout 334 Catchable (6+ inches)
1996/08/12 Rainbow Trout 400 Catchable (6+ inches)
1996/07/30 Rainbow Trout 798 Catchable (6+ inches)
1996/07/17 Rainbow Trout 788 Catchable (6+ inches)
1996/07/02 Rainbow Trout 750 Catchable (6+ inches)
1996/06/25 Rainbow Trout 264 Catchable (6+ inches)
1995/08/21 Rainbow Trout 378 Catchable (6+ inches)
1995/08/08 Rainbow Trout 384 Catchable (6+ inches)
1995/07/26 Rainbow Trout 460 Catchable (6+ inches)
1995/07/12 Rainbow Trout 300 Catchable (6+ inches)
1995/07/05 Rainbow Trout 264 Catchable (6+ inches)
1995/06/30 Rainbow Trout 264 Catchable (6+ inches)
1994/08/18 Rainbow Trout 376 Catchable (6+ inches)
1994/08/04 Rainbow Trout 375 Catchable (6+ inches)
1994/07/21 Rainbow Trout 504 Catchable (6+ inches)
1994/07/07 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
1994/06/30 Rainbow Trout 351 Catchable (6+ inches)
1994/06/09 Rainbow Trout 400 Catchable (6+ inches)
1993/07/21 Rainbow Trout 525 Catchable (6+ inches)
1993/07/08 Rainbow Trout 512 Catchable (6+ inches)
1993/06/30 Rainbow Trout 352 Catchable (6+ inches)
1993/06/16 Rainbow Trout 416 Catchable (6+ inches)
1992/07/10 Rainbow Trout 998 Catchable (6+ inches)
1992/06/04 Rainbow Trout 822 Catchable (6+ inches)
1991/08/07 Rainbow Trout 775 Catchable (6+ inches)
1991/07/22 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
1991/07/08 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
1991/06/18 Rainbow Trout 625 Catchable (6+ inches)
1991/06/11 Rainbow Trout 770 Catchable (6+ inches)
1990/08/23 Rainbow Trout 350 Catchable (6+ inches)
1990/08/13 Rainbow Trout 680 Catchable (6+ inches)
1990/07/23 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
1990/07/09 Rainbow Trout 500 Catchable (6+ inches)
1990/06/07 Rainbow Trout 1,000 Catchable (6+ inches)
1989/08/16 Rainbow Trout 850 Catchable (6+ inches)
1989/08/07 Rainbow Trout 504 Catchable (6+ inches)
1989/07/24 Rainbow Trout 450 Catchable (6+ inches)
1989/07/10 Rainbow Trout 525 Catchable (6+ inches)
1989/06/07 Rainbow Trout 765 Catchable (6+ inches)
1988/08/10 Rainbow Trout 805 Catchable (6+ inches)
1988/07/13 Rainbow Trout 980 Catchable (6+ inches)
1988/06/13 Rainbow Trout 770 Catchable (6+ inches)
1987/08/13 Rainbow Trout 550 Catchable (6+ inches)
1987/07/07 Rainbow Trout 330 Catchable (6+ inches)
1987/06/23 Rainbow Trout 660 Catchable (6+ inches)
1987/06/01 Rainbow Trout 550 Catchable (6+ inches)
1986/07/23 Rainbow Trout 5,010 Catchable (6+ inches)
1986/06/17 Rainbow Trout 2,001 Catchable (6+ inches)
1985/07/15 Rainbow Trout 2,100 Catchable (6+ inches)
1985/06/19 Rainbow Trout 2,125 Catchable (6+ inches)
1985/05/24 Rainbow Trout 2,000 Catchable (6+ inches)
1984/08/13 Rainbow Trout 1,524 Catchable (6+ inches)
1984/08/08 Rainbow Trout 1,524 Catchable (6+ inches)
1984/07/02 Rainbow Trout 4,025 Catchable (6+ inches)
1983/08/08 Rainbow Trout 7,012 Fingerling (3-6 inches)
1982/08/23 Rainbow Trout 2,660 Catchable (6+ inches)
1982/07/07 Rainbow Trout 2,448 Catchable (6+ inches)
1981/08/17 Rainbow Trout 2,349 Catchable (6+ inches)
1981/08/03 Rainbow Trout 2,496 Catchable (6+ inches)
1981/06/22 Rainbow Trout 2,160 Catchable (6+ inches)
1980/08/29 Rainbow Trout 270 Catchable (6+ inches)
1980/08/13 Rainbow Trout 625 Catchable (6+ inches)
1980/07/30 Rainbow Trout 1,050 Catchable (6+ inches)
1980/07/24 Rainbow Trout 840 Catchable (6+ inches)
1980/07/16 Rainbow Trout 1,360 Catchable (6+ inches)
1980/06/25 Rainbow Trout 4,080 Catchable (6+ inches)
1979/08/27 Rainbow Trout 780 Catchable (6+ inches)
1979/07/18 Rainbow Trout 1,300 Catchable (6+ inches)
1979/06/28 Rainbow Trout 2,013 Catchable (6+ inches)
1978/08/23 Rainbow Trout 660 Catchable (6+ inches)
1978/08/15 Rainbow Trout 1,320 Catchable (6+ inches)
1978/07/24 Rainbow Trout 1,110 Catchable (6+ inches)
1978/06/13 Rainbow Trout 1,885 Catchable (6+ inches)
1977/08/25 Rainbow Trout 1,200 Catchable (6+ inches)
1977/07/29 Rainbow Trout 1,680 Catchable (6+ inches)
1977/06/22 Rainbow Trout 1,440 Catchable (6+ inches)
1976/07/20 Rainbow Trout 1,650 Catchable (6+ inches)
1976/06/18 Rainbow Trout 3,720 Catchable (6+ inches)
1975/08/13 Rainbow Trout 2,000 Catchable (6+ inches)
1975/07/24 Rainbow Trout 2,340 Catchable (6+ inches)
1975/07/09 Rainbow Trout 1,860 Catchable (6+ inches)
1974/07/17 Rainbow Trout 1,600 Catchable (6+ inches)
1974/07/03 Rainbow Trout 2,040 Catchable (6+ inches)
1973/08/15 Rainbow Trout 2,280 Catchable (6+ inches)
1973/08/02 Rainbow Trout 1,700 Catchable (6+ inches)
1973/07/12 Rainbow Trout 1,920 Catchable (6+ inches)
1973/06/20 Rainbow Trout 1,800 Catchable (6+ inches)
1973/06/05 Rainbow Trout 1,700 Catchable (6+ inches)
1972/08/10 Rainbow Trout 1,320 Catchable (6+ inches)
1972/07/27 Rainbow Trout 1,800 Catchable (6+ inches)
1972/07/21 Rainbow Trout 1,700 Catchable (6+ inches)
1972/06/28 Rainbow Trout 1,600 Catchable (6+ inches)
1972/06/13 Rainbow Trout 1,800 Catchable (6+ inches)
1971/08/10 Rainbow Trout 2,660 Catchable (6+ inches)
1971/07/29 Rainbow Trout 2,220 Catchable (6+ inches)
1971/07/19 Rainbow Trout 2,160 Catchable (6+ inches)
1971/07/01 Rainbow Trout 3,040 Catchable (6+ inches)
1970/08/25 Rainbow Trout 600 Catchable (6+ inches)
1970/08/20 Rainbow Trout 2,880 Catchable (6+ inches)
1970/08/14 Rainbow Trout 1,280 Catchable (6+ inches)
1970/07/29 Rainbow Trout 1,440 Catchable (6+ inches)
1970/07/17 Rainbow Trout 1,920 Catchable (6+ inches)
1970/06/18 Rainbow Trout 1,550 Catchable (6+ inches)
1969/08/28 Rainbow Trout 3,520 Catchable (6+ inches)
1969/07/31 Rainbow Trout 2,860 Catchable (6+ inches)
1969/06/23 Rainbow Trout 2,320 Catchable (6+ inches)
1968/07/22 Rainbow Trout 1,500 Catchable (6+ inches)
1968/06/27 Rainbow Trout 1,160 Catchable (6+ inches)
Source: IDFG Fish Stocking Database.

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Fishing Rules, 2025 - 2027

All Waters Open All Year

Except as modified in Special Rules
Fishing is not allowed within the posted upstream and downstream boundary of any fish weir or trap.

Daily Bag Limits

The following daily bag limits apply to all waters within each region except as modified in the Special Rules. The possession limit is 3-times the daily bag limit.

Special Rules

Big Lost River and tributaries
  • December 1 through Friday before Memorial Day weekend – trout – catch-and-release; (except Brook Trout); whitefish – catch-and-release
  • Saturday of Memorial Day weekend through November 30 - trout limit is 6; whitefish – catch-and-release
Upper Snake Region Bag Limits
Bass (Largemouth and Smallmouth)

  • Bass - no bag, length, or possession limits

Brook Trout

  • Brook Trout limit is 25
  • Harvest allowed during any open season unless otherwise noted under Special Rules - if gear or bait restrictions are listed, they apply when fishing for Brook Trout

Bull Trout

  • Bull trout - catch-and-release

Kokanee

  • Kokanee limit is 15

Sturgeon

  • Sturgeon - catch-and-release
  • Sturgeon must not be removed from the water and must be released upon landing
  • Barbless hooks, sliding swivel device to secure a weight, and a lighter test line to secure weight to sliding swivel device are required. See fishing regulations for details

Tiger Muskie

  • Tiger Muskie limit is 2, none under 40 inches

Trout includes Brown Trout, Golden Trout, Lake Trout, Arctic Grayling, Cutthroat Trout, Rainbow Trout, and trout hybrids (e.g. Tiger Trout)

  • Trout limit is 6, all species combined
  • Bull Trout and Brook Trout are listed separately

Walleye (Have not been stocked intentionally in this Region. May be harmful to existing fisheries.)

  • No bag, length, or possession limits, harvest is encouraged

Whitefish

  • Whitefish limit is 25 - see Big Lost River exception
  • Harvest allowed during any open season unless otherwise noted under Special Rules - if gear or bait restrictions are listed, they apply when fishing for whitefish

Protected Nongame Fish including Bluehead Sucker (also known as Green Sucker)

  • May not be harvested or possessed

All Other Fish Species includes bullfrogs and crayfish

  • No bag, length or possession limit
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